* A bit of social approrpriateness that seems to be lost on certain forum participants and even other bloggers, who we wont call out here. Addendum #3: removed. The good news is that we have had about the most amicable separation that one could hope for, we all still spend plenty of time together and our son is still in the same loving environment he has always had. Ray Singer, Dick Chevillat. January 1, 2019, 3:35 pm. And Id rather call it a good game a little early, rather than being a burden on someone else to take care of me. Focusing on the silver linings in life is something that I need to improve at, and this example can serve me well as a model. Not a game of fairness, especially when children are involved. You and the ex-Mrs have generously helped all of us with this blog and changed many lives for the better. RelaxedGal Thank you for posting about this, there were a number of divorces for my mom and dad growing up. Many blessings to you and former Mrs. MMM, and to all of us out there in a new chapter! They are who they are and while you cant change them, you cant make the world any better by spitting venom back at them. Thank you for everything you do MMM. December 31, 2018, 6:06 pm. Jeremiah Definitely. First of all, there is the effect on yourchild raising, which is a parents most important job in life. Mr. Leung, who invested through the Great Recession, added: "There was a lot more reason to be scared in 2008. I was the one who asked for the separation so you can blame me for it. Please do take the best possible care of yourself. Makes a lot of sense. Having experienced it myself and reading ad nauseum on the topic, youre right on about the initiator having the advantage of planning their exit far in advance of the one on the receiving end. Hi! Do you think its good to have one? Mr. Money Mustache As someone who has been married for 23 years with 2 teenagers, I understand the ups and downs of a relationship and family. Also enjoyed how you are all focused on growth for the future, whatever shape that takes. Mr. Money Mustache retired in his early thirties and has recently emerged as one of the most inspiring personal finance authors in cyberspace. Mr. and Mrs. Stevens first made the trip to Bognor Regis on their honeymoon, and the tradition has continued ever since. It takes a lot of courage to share this information with the public. And finally there is the famedfinancial costof divorce. Mr. Been There Relationships and friendships and dealing with bossy or dysfunctional friends or family or parents, personal habits and addictions, and everything else. This was not my experience and it is my hope for those who are currently going through the initial stages of this process, or are years past the initial event and are still healing, to continue to let time work its mystical magic. Write down the good advice they give. It is truly one of the worst things that can happen, most people dont understand unless theyve been through it, which can be very isolating. So aim to survive. It was after we started with Gatsby toward the house that the gardener saw Wilson's. body a little way off in the grass, and the holocaust was complete. Accept the temporary setbacks, wait out the storms and keep moving forward. For example, if you survived the financial crisis, you could have bought S&P 500 at 666. I hope your divorce is a step towards that, but I would wait to date again if I were you. Thank you for sharing such a personal matter with us. It is legendary for destroying lives and fortunes, and indeed this is sometimes accurate. While my only experience in relationships was a year long, long distance relationship, when it ended, it was really horrible. Thank you for sharing such a personal topic. But only if you choose to accept that key and put it to use. SwordGuy Texasproud This is a very personal matter between you, (the former) Mrs. Money Mustache and your family. Thank you for sharing such a personal and inspirational story. Chapter 9. Someone who doesnt know your situation and can be objective. Its KBB is about $3500. But the more conflict you have with that ex, the harder it is to cooperate, which leads to a worse experience for everyone especially your children. Too many couples marry on passion and spur of the moment decisions. Thanks for making all our lives better. May you find peace and joy within the grief and loss. A single extra 5 minute Uber ride per hour will net me approximately $3 which is a much high return than hyper milling can give. I work for a Bank and to satisfy our CRA (Community Reinvestment Act) needs, we are required to volunteer hundreds and sometimes thousands of hours each year to teach financial literacy in low to moderate income areas. When I heard the news, I thought to myself, "how could this happen?" How could a couple split up when on paper, everything seemed so perfect? Punch excessive spending in the face and find the best way to put your employees (as in your savings) to work for you. Is the difference due to Bogleheads using far more conservative allocations? It seems so much easier for those who are deeply rooted in supportive, non/consumerist communities. I have been rereading your blog to see how I can keep my head above water. February 1, 2019, 10:02 am. You would go through a few months of training, and then do volunteer and advanced training to maintain your status. I just had the best year of my life, largely because of the influence youve had on me. Life is short. If youre still married and there is even achancethat you want it to last, you might consider the following steps. January 2, 2019, 8:36 am, Your story made me think about my situation and motivated me to let my spouse how much I appreciate what she does every day. I can totally understand what you went through. I sure could of used your advice then. The flipside of all this is that many, many people are currently married, who should not be and dont want to be. Pay attention to the new experiences you have on this journey. The opportunity cost of fighting is way too high in these situations. MMM, good for you re civil divorce. Some of these (below) are nation-wide and some in Los Angeles County area only. but divorce is hard and economically its often devastating so Im pleased its a topic on here, even if there are not many divorcing couples who will find themselves in similar financial circumstances. Sorry that you and Mrs. MMM had to go through this breakup. Perhaps the parents went through a bitter divorce . If one kid was acting sassy or sullen all of a sudden, I collaborated with my ex. Sorry to hear and youve definitely provided some good advice. Youve got a lot of folks wishing you well, and I hope that gives you some comfort. So thank you for sharing your lifestyle philosophy and also keeping it real. My mom was a strong introvert but was a community volunteer in a wide, wide variety of organizations (one at a time) to fulfill her social needs. Anonymous Yep the idea of a mediocre partnership just so someone can change my diapers sounds like hell to me. Mr. Money Mustache is a pseudonym of Peter Adeney, famous for his financial blogs and his unique way of spending money. She gave them down payments on houses, cash, cars, more college assistance, etc. We can get right back to work on positive things to rebuild our lives. And importantly, the kids knew it. Although we had been drifting this way for a while, the formal change of our status is still less than a year old, so its still a topic that deserves some quiet respect*. Also you need to learn hypermiling techniques (google it) to save as much gas (or energy if it is electric) as possible to earn more money from each trip. My guess it was too personal to share. Wishing you all the best for a fresh start in 2019. The downfalls of our own relationship are personal and not something we choose to make public, but youve heard it all before anyway. MMM never made the amount of money the frugalwoods did during his working career. But the good news is that it mightnotbe too late for you, if you do want to stay married. It is quite hard to stay positive and optimistic when your ex is abusing (verbally/mentally/physically, whatever), but it really is the best thing you can do. Also, a contentious divorce could deplete your savings significantly. Honestly the first time I heard this I cried. Our members range from young folks just starting their journey to financial independence, military retirees and even multimillionaires. School and jobs are hard, and money isreallyhard for most people. With some counselling and continued learning, I started the path to being a better me in the world. Ive noticed myself spitting venom with my heart being in the right place (ie. MMM hats off to you for taking the high road and Im sorry for what you and your ex-wife are going through, and that you have to do it as public figures. My wife and I are on pace to have 20x annual expenses by around my 40th birthday, in seven years. Daniele. 2) Money and fame. Need to keep spreading the genes around to ensure survival of the species and our neuro chemistry promotes this. Stay true to you and sending all my love to you, your wife and your son. Your story sounds similar to mine. Be strong and kind and carry on. We spent whatever we wanted, we just happened to have finite desires. Anonymous You two show so much maturity in handling this, I can only hope I grow up to be someone like that. December 31, 2018, 5:04 pm. Seek professional counseling when necessary, find support in your family and friends, and have faith that the pain is only temporary and you will find wholeness again. Happy New Year. So the former Mrs. MM and I (mostly under her guidance!) Marriage is a compromise, to be sure, but your starting assumptions are simply not factual. But without my divorce, and my solitude time to absorb my lessons, I would not have the wonderful relationship I enjoy today. I never would have expected that early retirement was possible with you. I am happy that you are ok and I am looking forward to continue being mentored and inspired by your blog. Wishing you and your family a fresh start in 2019. Even in the most carefully run and financially independent of lives, there will be some wrenching twists and turns. December 31, 2018, 6:36 pm. Ive met a lot of people through meetups. Im on a two year plan and have been following your posts. Lots of quiet, introverted people get together and find friends amongst the rest of the gang. Junior Achievement morning shifts from about 8a-2pm at local schools or at JA Finance park I am also going through a divorce after separating from my husband last February. 2. Chapeau. So thank you for being aware of this and my hope is your experience will be a positive tool for everyone. October 7, 2019, 5:38 pm. Your formula seems a little simplistic. House hacking might be an option. And after a few years, many former divorcees have moved on so happily that cant even believe that they were ever angry at each other. When the ball drops tonight, I start my second career which Im very excited about. So that's the bad news. Reasonableness is required on both sides. And thank you for such a great blog! Utah Valley But we can. Robert Anson Heinlein (/ h a n l a n /; July 7, 1907 - May 8, 1988) was an American science fiction author, aeronautical engineer, and naval officer.Sometimes called the "dean of science fiction writers", he was among the first to emphasize scientific accuracy in his fiction, and was thus a pioneer of the subgenre of hard science fiction.His published works, both fiction and non . So lean on friends, talk to a relationship counselor even if it is just by yourself (yes, its really worth it! Here are some of the emotional impacts a divorce may have on a child: Young children often struggle to understand why they must go between two homes. December 31, 2018, 6:49 pm. There are better ways, which I need to work on. When you do not define yourself by your relationships with others it makes divorce, splitting up, etc, much easier because you can keep it in perspective. Ive experienced the calmness of relief, followed by tidal waves of anger and resentment. I wish my parents had divorced 15 yrs before they actually did everyone, especially them, would have been much happier. Ill leave you with one of my favorite jokes: Two-L Michelle It adds pain to an already difficult situation. 3. In some ways, its the opposite of passive income since you have to keep at it. C.S. Sending you many blessings for 2019. Been single now for a loooong time. I had no idea until I met up with Carl (Mr. 1500) at the MMM HQ last month and he mentioned it. She wanted to spare us until she had everything in place. Your statement that even the harshest moments come with a little golden key taped secretly onto their side rings true. DAYS LA long beach program to bring adults back into the work-force ThatGuy. salads, barbells, and bicycles, I like that one. All the best to anyone else going through this scenario, especially with kids. The effects are cumulative like erosion, not temporary like moods or weather. My sisters husband cheated on her with her neighbor and friend. If youve ever been in an unhappy marriage it is every bit this simple. I will look into the Love Languages book, thanks for the recommendation. But that makes the point stronger. A positive trade as I adore my nephew and nieces. The few comments I had read, the baseless speculation and entitlement were disgusting. I wrote that down and changed my perspective of the situation. Robinson My ex and I did the same. It is proof that the core tenets of Mustachianism really are universal, and truly lead to greater lifetime happiness. You gave me strength, hope, wisdom, vital knowledge and something to aspire to. And even then, our human nature will keep pulling us back and well make mistakes. In the Comments: I have found it so helpful over this past year to share with others and realize that I am not alone in this. Everyone looks at the divorce rate, but nobody looks at the happily married rate when talking about marriages. The only way to survive this is to ignore it and focus on your own internal compass. Hit the gym, go for a run, have lunch with a friend, read that inspiring book, listen to that light-humored podcast, integrate yourself back into life and let it take shape. We happen to be going through a lot of life changes at the moment, and this is a great reminder that through the stress we need to focus on what is important for us, both as individuals and as a couple. Your son is very lucky to have two parents who found a way to reasonably and fairly amicable way to end their marriage and preserve as much normalcy as possible. Mr. Smith represents a threat / battle / death to society. I appreciate your candor and transparency. I wish you both happiness in the coming years. In fact, when rumour of our separation got out, multiple gossipy and negative and downright distasteful discussions formed around the Internet on Reddit, other bloggers websites, even right here on my own forum. Shop at a different grocery store and get ingredients that you don't usually get, in order to eat different meals than usual. I also mention Facebook because some of my more active meetup groups are also there. I survived and later thrived out of divorce (it was a process, 10 years). Maybe she got tired of Mustachianism. VITA-Tax training program for adults that would like to give free tax prep to any LMI persons Being born and going through childhood is hard. December 31, 2018, 8:02 pm, Sorry to read about your Divorce and hats off to you for staying close and dealing with it amicably. last updated October 09, 2018. The noted penny-pinching guru dubbed Mr. Money Mustache announced on New Year's Eve that he and his wife have divorced, writing in a blog post that they only spent $265 on the entire process. My wife has been a divorce mediator for 25 years and helps me stay keyed to both the negative and positive sides of struggles between spouses or parents and those close to them over separating their family while jointly tending to children. One thing that I think we did well is that no matter what the communication was between the ex and me, it did not affect our communication about the kids. And put the happy face back on, and start behaving like an adult again. I have been a fan of MMM for years, I see you found his site just two days ago I really recommend reading all of his posts from the beginning of time He has a real good handle on what otta be important. I have flicked to this site over the years but not read in depth. Even Mr. Money Mustache and JD Roth (Get Rich Slowly) got divorced. And if you dont choose to fight, a divorce doesnt have to cost much at all. Pete Adeney, the man behind the blog . In the end Ive come to appreciate how youve handled being a father, husband and now partner in raising your son. As all my previous relationships lasted no more than 2 years. MMM says that a 5% withdrawal rate will last 50+ years. First, we were ignored. Both you and (the former) Mrs. Money Mustache have achieved much financial prosperity and going forward, will still be able to prosper. And most notably from the perspective of early retirement and financial independence, havingenoughmoney in advance has made this part of the split much less painful. Mr. Money Mustache is the alias of a forty-one-year-old Canadian expatriate named Peter Adeney, who made or, more to the point, saved enough money in his twenties, working as a software. Sorry to hear! At the end of the day we all just want to be happy. Yes, if you get in that 22% (or whatever it is precisely) you are super glad. Another inspirational and honest piece of writing. It sounds like you two have handled it as graciously as possible, though anyone who says divorce is easy is a dirty rotten liar!! Is it a panacea? Rather than lament the unfairness of it all and use it as an excuse to go down a road of unhealthy escapism of bar hopping, bed hopping and self-pity, use the time to work on yourself, so that you can be your BEST self. I took the love languages quiz some time backs and really think each needs to be aware of each others language. Do I love my wife and is she an overall wonderful human being? If anything, use the experience for the valuable life lessons, and count the many blessings in your life and continue to build on them. Thanks for sharing. 3.5 years in, Im still a work in progress but know that Im okay and can enjoy life, and experience joy. Since you are a numbers guy, let me share with you my numbers on marriage. Cheers to a great future for us all! Like almost everything else in life, human nature draws us to the easier but more destructive of these paths, and only self-knowledge and self-discipline can lift us out of that rut and place us onto the more productive one. Unfortunately, the internet is a place where nasty voices can gather a lot of steam, but those voices do not reflect the truth that many of us are here for you. A good way to find them is to learn and engage in things you are interested in. Im not sure that the initiator of the divorce necessarily has it easier in regards to planning it out. December 31, 2018, 5:49 pm. I did give it a good try though and miserably have worked for crap $. Plus I was not the boss of the house. I dont think its over simplified at all. 2. Were friends now (six years later). (I explain this to my friends before they get married.). I found your MMMness in December of 2o15 along with other folks out there who were writing about minimalism, finance, relationships, etc. What year did Mr money Mustache retire? Best wishes to you MMM. Alas sometimes parting ways is the best choice. December 31, 2018, 7:44 pm. I hope thats of some help. And I would venture to say thatbothof us parents are going to come out of the experience much better off than we were before. Complaints and insults generally wont make the cut here, but by all means write them on your own blog! She spent that 6 months selling off many of the assets and giving big gifts to their children. You both seem to be such wonderful people but that doesnt equal a wonderful relationship automatically. I actually read very little after my divorce (related to divorce that is) but somewhere I saw these quotes and they reflected my divorce experience: Getting divorced is hard, being divorced isnt. On top of all that Im not allowed to leave the US (kids were born here), where I had never worked before and without any family. If you have any land trusts in your area, they are usually looking for volunteers. One of the best things you did was move down the street from your child. They stay in the same guest house and follow the same carefully honed schedulenow accompanied by their three children, twenty-year-old Mary, seventeen-year-old Dick, and little brother Ernie. After all, the information you kindly share is a gift to be thankful for. And it is important for these people to hear that although divorce is always difficult, sometimes it really is the best choice and there should not be shame or blame associated with this choice. How does the happiness level of happy married people compare to the happiness level of happy single people? Building everyone up and never, ever tearing anyone down. I have been married for almost twelve years now, and we have never fought I learned and taught my spouse how to solve differences with love, respect and flexibility. I do hope that you take time heal from the pain of this trauma. And we do. Sure, you'd like to see your savings grow. Having seen the documentary, Divorce, Inc. Im very happy you are settling this amicably and without spending the average 40K plus as expected. I would describe myself as satisfactorily married. Hey Alana, And mellower and friendlier. 3) Survival, Survival, and Survival! Im reminded of a refrain from an old Dave Mason song there aint no good guy, there aint no bad guy theres only you and me and we just disagree. Good luck to all of you. But guess what? All Rights Reserved |, How to Retire Forever on a Fixed Chunk of Money. Ive already downsized my home to something half in value and Im hatcheting expenses like a Halloween psycho! Fill your mind, body and spirit with positivity. Joey manages to get the trained chimp on "The Tonight Show" with Jack Paar. We think were doing pretty well, but could we do better? Divorce is tough. It started something wonderful and snowballed into more success and satisfaction than I couldve imagined. While I cant recommend any particular book, if youre looking for a great place to discuss this with other FIRE-minded women, check out http://www.reddit.com/r/FIREyFemmes. Youth Business Alliance-youth training program for businesses The biggest thing I got from this is how you and your former wife are able to maintain a healthy atmosphere for your child!! We are both doing well in forming new relationships and supportive of the others success in that important aspect of moving on. The good news is that we have had about the most amicable separation that one could hope for, we all still spend plenty of time together and our son is still in the same loving environment he has always had.
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